i've realised something.... what way could i tell mum all i want her to know and be certain i said everything i could?
a letter.
i don't want this to be any letter, i want this to really speak out.
write the letter, but do it for yourself. It will be cathartic to get your thoughts down on paper so that you are clear how you feel and can then move on.
Do not invest a great deal of faith in it getting read, unfortunately when you challenge a JW's comfortable little world you find that they clam up tighter than Michael Jackson's face lift and stop reading.
i'm closer to my mom than ever before.
but all the other witness family stays away.
I don't have a relationship with my family who are still in the borg, fortunately my brother and sister are now out and coming to Oz to visit later this year.
My father doesn't want to know, so why should I want to know him?
hey all got a text this morning that they had sent me an email opened it straight away, here is there email and my reply.. .
esther,.
we hope this message clarifies some misconceptions you may have.
Es,
this is one I am struggling with at the moment, we are trying for a baby right now and I am trying to work out whether or not I should tell my father or whether I should just treat him in the same way he has treated me for the last 15 years.
Your reply to your mother was perfect, it was a measured response without becoming abusive or hysterical. Unfortunately I am not sure that it will dent the self righteous persecution complex of a witness who is determined to shun their daughter. Personally I don't get it, I don't understand how a parent could profess to love their child and then treat them in such a mean spirited way and cause so much pain. My father caused hassle when we got married and ended up not coming to our wedding, at that point I swore that he would never see any of his grand children. Right now I am still angry that he did not come to our wedding 3 years ago, but I would like to think that I can rise above it and not act in such a childish and hurtful manner. I know it would probably cause him hurt if he finds out that he has grand children that I have not told him about, but I expect that it would also fuel his persecution complex - underlining how worldly I am and that holding to the society's standards is a sacrifice for god or some such crap. It's a difficult one to call, do I rise above it and let him know when we have a baby or do I act as spiteful as he has and leave him in the dark, I'm not sure which way I will go.
The decision is all yours as to whether you tell your parents or not, I think that the best we can do is endevour to be more caring and living parents than ours were to us and guarantee that our kids do not grow up with the psychological scars that we have had inflicted on us.
Steve
this is a jw friendly version of one of farkels posts that i plagarized.. it's useful to send to jw,s who are clueless as to why they can not have facial hair.. .
there was a falling away from the bible students after the disappointment of 1914 and the death of ctr in 1916.for the first approximately 10 years during his leadership of the bible students, rutherford would laud and praise ctr and even stated that ctr was leading the movement personally while being "beyond the vail"( from the heavens after his death).
so for a time the judge actually promoted remembering ctr to retain followers.
they were very anti beard in the UK in the late 80's and early 90's. In fact it was one of the big things that made me start questioning the validity of anything that came out of Brooklyn - I figured that as this was a completely arbitrary piece of man made personal opinion so how much of the rest of it was the same? It started me looking at the organisation with a critical eye and from there it was all down hill.
Interesting that the origin was in the internal struggles of the judge, they pride themselves in being above such worldly antics.
i found it a big strange.
open letter to all jehovahs witnesses .
the watchtower administration will be physically destroyed in 40 days from the date of this letter.
all i read was "blah blah blah, blah blah"
hey all, had to have routine blood tests the other day for bubs, they test for everything hiv, syphilis etc....... it really got me thinking just how scary life can be at times, i mean how many of us have slept with someone unprotected without knowing anything bout them?????
it got me thinking it only takes one person to say have hiv and that can be enough.
not that i have slept around alot, infact only with two other people but thats enough.. ive been talking to heaps of my friends and either them or there partner have slept around alot more unprotected and have been lucky enough, i know im being stupid im confident im ok but still i dont want to be the unlucky one get me.. i know im being a little melodramatic it just got me serioulsy thinking.
I ended up having a HIV test about 10 years ago because I had been a bit "busy" for a couple of years while at University. It's a scary feeling waiting for the test results when you have that doubt in your mind but it does bring home some small feeling of having to live up the consequences of your actions.
There are consequences to all of our actions and we have to live with them big or small, we all make cock ups at times but generally get away with out catestrophic repercussions. Having said that there are the small percentage of incidents which do come home with a vengeance, and it's those that really hurt us, though we cannot live without risk - sometimes you have to accept that life is no the safest place sometimes and just jump (although unsafe sex with someone you don't know is plain daft these days).
woohoo!.
i got binned from my consultancy contract just over two weeks ago after falling out with a colleague and have been stressed right out because there is nothing around in perth at the moment in the it field that i was working in.
today i got offered a permanent role as a business analyst for a small it firm in perth!.
thanks. It's frustrating about the money but to be honest we will still have a pretty good standard of living, it's just going to mean being a bit careful for a year or so.
I've been wanting to get a BA role for ages, for the last 2 years I have had been in really tightly focussed techie roles with little opportunity to move forward or have any real interaction with people. This could turn out to be a real step forward professionally as the natural progression for this type of job is towards project management.
woohoo!.
i got binned from my consultancy contract just over two weeks ago after falling out with a colleague and have been stressed right out because there is nothing around in perth at the moment in the it field that i was working in.
today i got offered a permanent role as a business analyst for a small it firm in perth!.
England, originally from Plymouth then moved to Bristol for work
i was reading a post on here recently from some young guy who was never a witness but wanted some advice about a romantic situation and what struck me was his real guilt trip about sex, porn and masturbation.. .
what is the reason for attaching so much guilt to sex?
is it because we attach emotion to the closness of our sexual relationships?
another thing occurred to me, when I was disfellowshipped, the elders on the JC wanted loads of detail about what I had got up to with my girlfriend, this sort of made my flesh crawl thinking that they were getting all hot and sweaty about what we had done, sort of freaky!
i was reading a post on here recently from some young guy who was never a witness but wanted some advice about a romantic situation and what struck me was his real guilt trip about sex, porn and masturbation.. .
what is the reason for attaching so much guilt to sex?
is it because we attach emotion to the closness of our sexual relationships?
I was reading a post on here recently from some young guy who was never a witness but wanted some advice about a romantic situation and what struck me was his real guilt trip about sex, porn and masturbation.
What is the reason for attaching so much guilt to sex? Is it because we attach emotion to the closness of our sexual relationships? is it because some people liken porn to infidelity? is there something deeply psychological about feeling guilty about sex?
